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Post by wikking4u on Apr 25, 2016 6:21:22 GMT -5
Exactly... My maxxed RG and Daka are probably not the highest DPS, but so irreplaceable in my team...
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Post by korabane on Apr 25, 2016 9:03:36 GMT -5
In theory, they keep your damage producers alive longer, thus more damage. Again, in theory.
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Post by greg on Apr 25, 2016 9:10:38 GMT -5
It's a pretty odd system. Instead of guild vs guild. It's people within the guild vs eachother. I hope you can buy those holo projectors at the store with currency. Preying to the RNG gods is going to suck.
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Post by Scott Go Blue on Apr 25, 2016 9:17:36 GMT -5
As many have pointed out on the forums, this now pits all of us against each other. So instead of working together, we're fighting each other up the leaderboard for contributions to the guild or trying to get more damage. It's going to lead to people leaving the guild if they are constantly at the bottom of the rewards. It'll be a constant churn as people move in and out of guilds I fear.
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Post by Worban on Apr 25, 2016 9:53:24 GMT -5
As I said in guild chat, I'm very opposed to a coordinated tie for first place system. Not only will it be a chore and pain in the ass to implement across all timezones around the world, it will also restrict our overachievers, making them upset (do we want to lose players from the top of the contribution list or the bottom?), and most of all, I think it will pit us against each other even more to try and implement this.
We will engage in lots of bickering and finger-pointing, just about every day (it would take a month, at least, to find the right balance/system/rythm). There will be people claiming others broke ahead of the tie on purpose, people feeling bad when they do it by accident, bad moods all around when this doesn't go just right. And it has to go just right to work, like flawlessly.
This is a game. Treat it as such. It's supposed to be fun. When we engage in tedious micromanagement like this, telling people what they can't do with their game, it will become a nightmare, for all the players. The game will be less fun and we're getting caught up in mega-whale guild thinking...an obsession to only be/get the best, at any cost.
You know what I'll get in coins for personal contribution today? 450. I ranked #15 and you know what? I am happy about that...thrilled in fact. Because it's 450 more than I had yesterday and I'll be able to buy something with it.
Yes, on LS/DS days, I'll probably be closer to the top, and as much as I don't like that it pushes everyone else down, that is the way they designed this crappy guild system. We shouldn't bend our playstyle around to accommodate this shitty intra-guild fighting they encourage. We should be joining the thousands of others in demanding they make changes to it.
Personally, I don't care that much about the coins. I care more about top 3 damage awards for raids, and yes, I will go for that. Don't hate me for it. It's why I wanted to join a top guild in the first place. I knew I could probably compete for those top 3 spots in just about any guild, including mega-whale FTB. But I didn't join them because they're too uptight (yes, I declined an invite to join them). I don't want us to become obsessed with absolute maximization of rewards at the expense of just being chill.
Cension formed this guild with two goals...clear highest tier raids as often as possible, yet be relaxed at the same time, without tons of other requirements. Now we're contemplating one of the worst ideas imaginable (for a casual guild) to get what, 30% more coins a day? And it's not going to be the 50% difference you see between yourself and von Schwarz today. You know why? Because he wasn't restricted, spent as much as he wanted. When you restrict everyone, you actually could be cutting overall coin yield down among all members, because nobody is shooting for the stars. Less overall coins distributed to guild base means less overall power in the guild, over the long haul.
I will wait until I actually see the rewards in the guild shop tomorrow before I take an even firmer stance on this. But unless it offers fully crafted Mk5 Arakyd Droid Callers for ~10k or less (and that ain't happening) I'm not going to get excited and all uptight about a possible difference of 1k coins at the end of the week, between doing this and not doing this. I'd rather have fun, than have the coins. And this plan will NOT be fun. It will be the exact opposite of fun.
Sorry for the wall of text, and thanks if you actually took the time to read it.
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Post by iamscott on Apr 25, 2016 10:09:29 GMT -5
agree with Worban
i DONT think it will be as divisive as everyone is making it out to be
IF we work as a team to pull the T7 raid down EVERYONE gets the bottlenecked gear
if we dont well then.. there will be a bunch of unhappy campers at T6
so get your T7 hats on
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Post by dunsscotus123 on Apr 25, 2016 10:14:56 GMT -5
I am ready to hit hard with my assist assault team (with RG holding down the fort) and see how this goes. Can't wait to see the anims of the Rancor.
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Post by korabane on Apr 25, 2016 10:33:05 GMT -5
I plan on defensing the Rancor to death! :-)
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Post by Worban on Apr 25, 2016 11:46:14 GMT -5
To follow up though, I will say, if this is what everyone wants to do, I'll go along with it...except for LS/DS/SC days, when I need to get my routine farming in. But I will never join you all in the tie at #1 for guild dailies. I will make sure I'm behind it, because I wouldn't want to be to one to screw it up, and I'm not all that stoked about the coins anyway.
Now Gear Boxes, we'll that's another story!
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Post by Darth Cension on Apr 25, 2016 12:05:09 GMT -5
Fairly sure rewards will be reworked. Never has there been so much backlash and people make a valid point
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Post by Worban on Apr 25, 2016 12:25:33 GMT -5
And now that we can access the Guild Shop, look how rediculously crappy those insanely over-priced pieces of gear are. The second one's not even guild exclusive. I don't know about the first one, not a single one of my characters needs it. But you can aquire 20 of the second in a few refreshes from normal LS/DS farming, unless they adversley changed the drop rate on us in this update too; I wouldn't rule that out. And it costs nearly 3k coins a piece, for nearly 60k coins to get crafted. What a complete joke. They must be trolling us because the character shards are by far the best items in there.
Now less excited about personal coins than ever.
And I just noticed they raised the price of buying purple gear from regular shipments by 500%! Before you could buy 3 purples for 150 crystals. Or was it even for credits before? I dont remember. I just clicked buy on all gear out of habit, without even looking at what the gear was. Now you only get 1 for 300 crystals!
Hahahaha. I am so glad I bought 'em regularly before! Because I won't be anymore.
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Post by greg on Apr 25, 2016 13:41:02 GMT -5
Those purples for crystals are the full equitable item. If you got stun cuffs for 1400 crystals then that isn't a terrible price once you hit level cap. 2500 energy is 20ish refreshes which at 100 per is 2000 crystals. And apparently you can get furnaces for 1600 which would be a bargain give how hard it is to get the unobtanium.
As for the open competition it makes sense if rewards keep going up past tier 7. If they don't for days like GW it might make sense to agree to 24 being the number just so we don't have to go through 36 GW in 24hrs.
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Post by Worban on Apr 25, 2016 17:49:16 GMT -5
Sorry von Schwarz (and everyone) for stealing #1 today. I just woke up and completely forgot about resets and timezone difference. This is the result of my routine farming.
Edit: Good, you took it back von Schwarz. I didn't want it anyway. Now people will direct less envy my way.
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Post by korabane on Apr 25, 2016 18:01:08 GMT -5
Dude, I thought that was awesome.
FYI to the guild, if I am ever in first place and get sniped out of it, I will be happy for the person that stepped up to take the lead.
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Post by Worban on Apr 25, 2016 18:05:19 GMT -5
I agree completely, Korabane. In fact, just edited my post to kinda say that too, in a less positive tone, hahaha!
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